How to use "For Each" tag loop on each object
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@Deeeds aww get over it. Just drag the link. iOS 11’s wonderful drag feature!
@iTap-Development Do you mean the wonderful features of iOS 11 that are NOT implemented by hyperPad?
That's not my point. although it is also a valid point. They should have implemented all the iOS 11 goodies for this app long ago.
My point: somebody permitted that connection error message to be shown in these circumstances, which is both misleading and useless.
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@Deeeds aww get over it. Just drag the link. iOS 11’s wonderful drag feature!
@iTap-Development You're doing the exact thing I am. The difference, I assumed the default type of array in an Array Modifier Behaviour, in hyperPad, would modify hyperPad's native arrays. I was especially sure of this because it's been named a "Value" type of array, which would be, in most all other uses of the English language to describe anything to do with modifying arrays, the type of array that stores values. And it is the default setting of the behaviour that modifies arrays within hyperPad.
SILLY ME !!!
Should have known that the wording would be wrongheaded and the default choice the least intuitive and least useful, and most peculiar possible.
Made far worse by the fact that it takes in an array to modify, and then requests the choice of modification and the value to be provided. Looks exactly like what's needed, normal and to be expected.
Again, Silly ME!
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@iTap-Development You're doing the exact thing I am. The difference, I assumed the default type of array in an Array Modifier Behaviour, in hyperPad, would modify hyperPad's native arrays. I was especially sure of this because it's been named a "Value" type of array, which would be, in most all other uses of the English language to describe anything to do with modifying arrays, the type of array that stores values. And it is the default setting of the behaviour that modifies arrays within hyperPad.
SILLY ME !!!
Should have known that the wording would be wrongheaded and the default choice the least intuitive and least useful, and most peculiar possible.
Made far worse by the fact that it takes in an array to modify, and then requests the choice of modification and the value to be provided. Looks exactly like what's needed, normal and to be expected.
Again, Silly ME!
@Deeeds value arrays can be dynamically created and used. Using the behavior setting means you have to select a premade array.
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@Deeeds value arrays can be dynamically created and used. Using the behavior setting means you have to select a premade array.
What’s so weird about that?Can you explain HOW this works? What it does?
Step me through an ideal use case of this wonderful, dynamic array functionality.
Write like speaking to a child. Not childishly, just as though you're explaining it to someone that comes from other worlds, not one where knowing hyperPad is normal.
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Can you explain HOW this works? What it does?
Step me through an ideal use case of this wonderful, dynamic array functionality.
Write like speaking to a child. Not childishly, just as though you're explaining it to someone that comes from other worlds, not one where knowing hyperPad is normal.
@Deeeds ok.
Say you want a shop. You could have an array of categories for the shop. Say you want unlimited categories. Each index in that array would be a dynamic array of items in the category. -
@Deeeds ok.
Say you want a shop. You could have an array of categories for the shop. Say you want unlimited categories. Each index in that array would be a dynamic array of items in the category. -
@iTap-Development So you're talking about accessing nested arrays?
If I get that... then I think... this is way to get around the lack of referencing in hyperPad?
@Deeeds yes that is what I’m saying.
How is it a way around referencing? Sorry about my not understanding your terms well, I don’t know much about “normal” programming. -
@Deeeds yes that is what I’m saying.
How is it a way around referencing? Sorry about my not understanding your terms well, I don’t know much about “normal” programming.If you've got referencing, you don't need do all this dancing through hoops we're doing to create and ID objects.
You have a virtual "name" for each object, and can call on them at any time and say:
FatDog06.fetch(yellowBall)And each different dog you can tell to do different things.
Or get information from:
FatDog09.reportDistance(inMetres, fromHome)That name, for each dog, is a reference to that dog.
And you can pass the name around.
So you could tell your buddy to wash a particular dog:
Buddy01.wash(FatDog007)=================
For @Hamed, who is (I think) probably working in Objective-C, messaging looks more like this:
[Buddy01 wash:FatDog007]But the capitalisation isn't done like that in Objective-C, I kind of vaguely remember.
The real problem, I still don't really understand what Value Type arrays are in hyperPad, or what problem they're solving. I'm not sure how normal arrays couldn't/shouldn't be used to solve your problem of the store and categories of objects, etc.
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@iTap-Development Again. There are OTHER things I'm doing, that require this functionality.
This isn't just one problem that needs to be solved. But this makes for a great example to demonstrate the conceptual capability, which in turn, if it works, should provide artistic freedom of some description.
So, no... not going to share a project.
Instead, show me that it works.
I've found so many things that don't work that I'm far beyond doubting myself, and already eliminated any possible user error on my end.
ly.
The only things left are:It's broken
or
It's counter intuitive and requires additional actions to setup "correctly".
Show me it works. I don't think it does.
@Deeeds said in How to use "For Each" tag loop on each object:
@iTap-Development Again. There are OTHER things I'm doing, that require this functionality.
This isn't just one problem that needs to be solved. But this makes for a great example to demonstrate the conceptual capability, which in turn, if it works, should provide artistic freedom of some description.
So, no... not going to share a project.
Instead, show me that it works.
I've found so many things that don't work that I'm far beyond doubting myself, and already eliminated any possible user error on my end.
ly.
The only things left are:It's broken
or
It's counter intuitive and requires additional actions to setup "correctly".
Show me it works. I don't think it does.
Do you see the need for sharing projects yet?!
You were “far beyond doubting yourself” and had “already eliminated any possible user error on your end”, and that there was no need for a test project.
If you had shared a simple project, someone could have easily found the problem. -
@Deeeds said in How to use "For Each" tag loop on each object:
@iTap-Development Again. There are OTHER things I'm doing, that require this functionality.
This isn't just one problem that needs to be solved. But this makes for a great example to demonstrate the conceptual capability, which in turn, if it works, should provide artistic freedom of some description.
So, no... not going to share a project.
Instead, show me that it works.
I've found so many things that don't work that I'm far beyond doubting myself, and already eliminated any possible user error on my end.
ly.
The only things left are:It's broken
or
It's counter intuitive and requires additional actions to setup "correctly".
Show me it works. I don't think it does.
Do you see the need for sharing projects yet?!
You were “far beyond doubting yourself” and had “already eliminated any possible user error on your end”, and that there was no need for a test project.
If you had shared a simple project, someone could have easily found the problem.There is a time and a place for sharing projects. This wasn't it.
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There is a time and a place for sharing projects. This wasn't it.
@Deeeds for you that’s never?
And htis is this NOT the time and place?! -
There is a time and a place for sharing projects. This wasn't it.
@Deeeds this is exactly when you should be sharing projects!
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@Deeeds said in How to use "For Each" tag loop on each object:
@iTap-Development Again. There are OTHER things I'm doing, that require this functionality.
This isn't just one problem that needs to be solved. But this makes for a great example to demonstrate the conceptual capability, which in turn, if it works, should provide artistic freedom of some description.
So, no... not going to share a project.
Instead, show me that it works.
I've found so many things that don't work that I'm far beyond doubting myself, and already eliminated any possible user error on my end.
ly.
The only things left are:It's broken
or
It's counter intuitive and requires additional actions to setup "correctly".
Show me it works. I don't think it does.
Do you see the need for sharing projects yet?!
You were “far beyond doubting yourself” and had “already eliminated any possible user error on your end”, and that there was no need for a test project.
If you had shared a simple project, someone could have easily found the problem.Read through my rant about the Value Type being named wrongly, the default choice... etc...
It wasn't user error in this case...
It's horrible UX, terrible documentation and TRULY despicable choices of nomenclature and default "behaviour", all to circumvent a temporary problem, the lack of referencing.
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@Deeeds this is exactly when you should be sharing projects!
@iTap-Development You haven't read the path to discovery I went through, that everyone else will need to go through, too.
It was painful because of the documentation, the default choice, the naming conventions and the reasons for this scenario.
You're not getting the points I'm making.
And I'm not willing to wait for someone else to help me when I should be able to solve these problems by reading about and using the tool in front of me.
This is about FAR MORE THAN ME!!!
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Read through my rant about the Value Type being named wrongly, the default choice... etc...
It wasn't user error in this case...
It's horrible UX, terrible documentation and TRULY despicable choices of nomenclature and default "behaviour", all to circumvent a temporary problem, the lack of referencing.
@Deeeds I don’t need to read your rant. Read the post I quoted. You said all of that about the for each not working.
Had to edit...i wasn’t paying attention to what I was typing lol 🤦♂️
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@Deeeds I don’t need to read your rant. Read the post I quoted. You said all of that about the for each not working.
Had to edit...i wasn’t paying attention to what I was typing lol 🤦♂️
@iTap-Development You only need to read through something if you're going to try to stand behind your claim that this is the right time to share a project, and you're going to be faster than I am at finding what's going on, and can then explain to me the process by which YOU discovered and then understood THIS problem.
Can you do that?
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@iTap-Development You only need to read through something if you're going to try to stand behind your claim that this is the right time to share a project, and you're going to be faster than I am at finding what's going on, and can then explain to me the process by which YOU discovered and then understood THIS problem.
Can you do that?
@Deeeds are you saying you found the problem first? I thought my project is what showed you? And It wasn’t a problem! It was YOUR user error, which is why sharing a project so I could look at it was needed. It would have been easy to see why it wasn’t working.
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@Deeeds I don’t need to read your rant. Read the post I quoted. You said all of that about the for each not working.
Had to edit...i wasn’t paying attention to what I was typing lol 🤦♂️
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@Deeeds are you saying you found the problem first? I thought my project is what showed you? And It wasn’t a problem! It was YOUR user error, which is why sharing a project so I could look at it was needed. It would have been easy to see why it wasn’t working.
@iTap-Development Yes, I found it before you sent me the project.
I was writing about it before then. Look at the timeline of events.
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If you can, I'd greatly appreciate an explanation of Value Type arrays in hyperPad, from your perspective.
@Deeeds I don’t know what you mean by “value types”.
But that’s not the issue. The issue is that you thought FOR EACH couldn’t loop through objects on a tag and get there positions and add them to an array. When I made a project proving they could, you easily saw the user error. The point is, if you shared a simple project demonstrating what you thought didn’t work, I could have identified the user error 6 hours ago in stead of posting so much!@Deeeds said in How to use "For Each" tag loop on each object:
@iTap-Development You're doing the exact thing I am. The difference, I assumed the default type of array in an Array Modifier Behaviour, in hyperPad, would modify hyperPad's native arrays. I was especially sure of this because it's been named a "Value" type of array, which would be, in most all other uses of the English language to describe anything to do with modifying arrays, the type of array that stores values. And it is the default setting of the behaviour that modifies arrays within hyperPad.
SILLY ME !!!
Should have known that the wording would be wrongheaded and the default choice the least intuitive and least useful, and most peculiar possible.
Made far worse by the fact that it takes in an array to modify, and then requests the choice of modification and the value to be provided. Looks exactly like what's needed, normal and to be expected.
Again, Silly ME!
This post is where you first said you new what was wrong. I posted the project before this.
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